Jim doesn't believe in climate science. Elon might believe in it, but is so cynical that he just says we have to send people to Mars, which is unsustainable being reliant on the home planet.

40-mi electric range if charged TWICE a day can give you 80-mi all-electric-range. Why carry more battery and pay more for battery than you really need? What percentage of people drive more than 80 miles a day? Probably a few % the most.
Why not charge at work using day-time solar energy? During cloudy or rainy day, those PHEV that are plugged-in at work can sell back power to the grid when really needed.

His earlier book, Philosophy in the Flesh, was one of the first generalist books on the implications of evolutionary development on primate brains and cognition. This book, along with Mathematics: The loss of Certainty, were two that have shaped my thinking over the last thirty years.

If we’re talking “can”, then an optimal PHEV can easily be better than BEV.

Until battery manufacturing gets green (an let’s be real: low cost is the top priority for electrification of transport, so it’s staying dirty for many years), a PHEV can prevent 5-10 tonnes of CO2 emissions. If you drive 90%+ on electric, you’ll be net positive.

One thing to consider is that many people (esp pickup and large SUV buyers) will want 500-mile EPA range before going EV. That can be a 200kWh+ battery…

Yep, the end of the Fairness Doctrine was the beginning of the end for representative government.

Anthropogenic climate change proves your point about mother nature wrong. The reality that you are in denial of is our modern society is powered by burning toxins removed from the biosphere before our species evolved. We are rapidly turning the plant into the toxic world that didn’t support human life we will not adapt to that any more than the species adapted to the 5 mass extinction events that happened in the past. But welcome to the 6th mass extinction event brought to us by the very additude your post so clearly documents.

“…60 is simply at in-city speed limit that’s common….”

!!!! OMG!! What city are you talking about. Where is it!! It want to drive it!!. It would be like a pin-ball machine with pedestrians.
WOW… Look at the hang time on that one!! 10 points!!

“Aerodynamics is critical to an EV range and so anything that interrupts…”

Ahhh. Sorry to burst you piss-ass bubble here, Aerodynamics is IMPORTANT for ANYTHING THAT MOVES!! It is Mass, Aerodynamic and rolling friction that in combination with velocity and gravity that determines the amount of energy to move or accelerate ANY object, NO MATTER WHAT ENERGY SOURCE YOU USE TO MOVE IT!!

Your FFI colors are showing here…

A cogent and thoughtful analysis. (Not that I would have expected anything less from you,) I particularly like your pointing to how Ronnie Rayguns and Joseph Goebbels fit into this conversation.

BTW, Patti Davis, RR’s daughter, said today her father would have been horrified by the Repugnican party of today and its tendency to be unmoored from principle. I don’t remember The Gipper being quite as saintly as she seems to think he was.

I found a ‘rule-of-thumb’ of up to 3 litres per KW-h for cooling from most thermal plants.

It would be good if the flows worked out to just stop returning any sanitary sewer effluent to the rivers.

I’d imagine that a city of 50,000 or so would have 2 million gallons effluent a day for industrial use, more if they also captured stormwater runoff.

I’d expect to see more ‘waste’ heat from power plants used for district heating. In most of winter, lukewarm water would be a much better source for a heat pump than the outside air.

Exactly!
Everyone copied Tesla’s start expensive first strategy, as if it was the only way.
Start small also works.

Pretty sure it’s all of Canada, even in Quebec. Although just due to shipping logistics they might start importing German made ones to Easyern Canada.

Chinese made Teslas qualify for a $5000 CAD Federal rebate regardless of origin because about zero EVs are built in Canada. (I’ve managed to miss out on that rebate all three times, once by just two weeks.)

Likely the reason is that this frees up 50,000 or so U.S. made cars to get the $7500 (twice as much as in Canada) U.S. federal credit.

There’s mile-long car carrier trains going loaded in both directions across Saskatchewan. Japanese, Korean, and Chinese vehicles heading east, U.S. badged SUVs, pickup trucks and a few German cars going west.

High power AC chargers are super-bulky. You’re talking giving up a cubic foot of space for every 6kW of charging, and it gets worse at the small end.

OMG!! Is that it!! I have wondered so long as to their motive… (Sorry, I could not resist)

OK, I am going to be harsh hear…warning:

“If I had to pick the moment when it all went off the rails for the tech industry, I’d choose Saturday morning, Dec. 10, 2016, when I…got a tip: The crowned heads of Silicon Valley’s most powerful tech companies had been summoned to tromp into Manhattan’s Trump Tower and meet the man who had unexpectedly just been elected president and was the antithesis of all they supposedly represented.”

Bull $h**!

The goal of all society sense the invention of the currency construct is more. It is hierarchical due to a math basis. Just add another zero.

The have’s and the have not’s. Millenia old. It was forged from a world based on scarcity, which is deliberately perpetuated for control purposes.

If you are going to plant a flag anywhere in the modern of history, the tipping point (Not creation) is Ronald Reagan when he let the Fairness Doctrine fail in 1987.
I find my self quoting this allot lately:

““If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels

The dying of that doctrine coupled with changes in the 1995 Tele-Com act neutered the FCC to clamp down on false news broadcasting, plowing the way one year later for Fox Fantasy (The lie machine). As JG so eloquently spoke, it is the lie by the numbers and constant timing, that is required to desecrate the truth, scorching the earth for Fascisms arrival.

The second most important element for its success is no accountability. This is the last most egregious insult needed, for the successful balancing of the Fascist equation. It sends a universal messaging to all the Lemmings that they must not have done anything wrong, or else they would have been nullified….right?? Is also coats the entities with the unmistakable look and feel of Teflon, regarding Power and impunity.

There are no mysteries here. No surprises here. But it is a way to acquire lots of money…. If you have the right friends…

EVs will become a necessary part of the climate solution as the whole supply chain inevitably cleans up in the coming decades.
The batteries will get lighter and more efficient, will increasingly be composed of only widely available minerals instead of stuff like cobalt, mined using only renewable energy, and the grid will ultimately be very clean as solar inevitably takes over by getting very cheap. Solar panels will also get ever-more efficient, thinner, and be made with only renewable energy. Ultimately, the high carbon footprint of producing batteries will disappear.

You have to have some vision and understanding of how technology improves to see how electrification is essential for reducing climate change. If we continue producing ICE vehicles as usual, there will be no hope of reducing emissions from transport on an acceptable timescale. It would take much longer to clean up liquid fuels by switching to synthetic fuels than cleaning up EVs, plus EVs are better, ultimately cheaper, cars.

That has overwhelmingly been proved false. Having chargers available at work, 6 years of EV commutes for me were possible from my gen-2 Prius PHEV. Now with the gen-3 offering significantly more range, a large part of the market could do the same even with only 120-volt charging at home.

Agreed, both good cars. If they still made the Bolt I would buy it for my son, but sadly they are gone. Insurance varies greatly by stat/province, my Model Y insurance is the same as my old BMW 3, about $1,200/yr. Everyone should buy what makes them happy.

In both cases, the plugin is less-bad than the pure ICE version.

Interesting but sad

Yeah, I’m not proud of it (the efficiency). But it’s not terrible. I also have pretty chunky all-weather tires on there that handle well on snow and ice but don’t have the best rolling resistance. Also it’s possible my speed hit 3 digits once or twice (it’s a stealth Performance). I blame those wide open Montana roads. 😀

Yes.

Iron from the environment collects on the surface. It can be cleaned off. It’s not the Cybertruck body that is rusting. The media knows this because they got this information from the Cybertruck Owners Club, who discussed the fact that it could be easily cleaned off and wasn’t part of the stainless steel. But bad news sells.

Steve wrote the article, so it’s all about “Bad Boy Elon”
Not about Gates, Buffett / Munger, Ross Gerber, Murdoch, Bezos, Bloomberg, Zuckerberg, many Waltons, Kochs.
For reasons beyond me, Biden unleashed the hounds on Musk, the only one re-shoring manufacturing, bringing some logic to (presently hallucinogenic) transport options.

I do ask – when did Elon issue death threats?
Or act as grifter sucking dollars out of (morally upstanding) advertisers?
He actually said opposite – “you think you can blackmail me, … with money? XXX Hi Bob. X X X.” Paraphrased.

IMO – my 2c – Dems lost support of working / under class, rallied instead behind weird, any disaffected minority. And rich unions. Entitlement. Victim status. Tokenism. Retreating behind curtain of Kennedy era.
Certainly not behind ecology or environmental concerns, nor about being a global citizen.

I can see Cybertrucks and Lightnings dragging ICEr vehicles out of spaces and leaving them in the middle of roads. ICErs are going to learn that EVs have a lot of pulling power.

Here in Australia, most states have made ICEing a finable offense, fines are up to $2k, depending on state. That needs to happen in the US as well, although the US is shockingly fragmented for a single country.

326 Wh/mile is equivalent to 103mpg if burning gas with it’s famous “energy density” of 33.7 kWh/gal that’s mostly wasted in inefficient ICE engines. Not bad for highway miles at higher speeds.

Hi, our favorite H2 troll is back. Except yr on yr EV is 40%? higher, is hardly not wanted but the kind of lie you always try.
The problem with EVs is that the right kind are not for sale as much, just heavy costly ones. But that is changing fast as battery prices have dropped by 50% over 4 yrs, not going BEV is foolish.
Even the 3 is $28K when they get required battery or lease now.
With the Y as the largest selling vehicle, not just EV in the US, world, kind of hard to say they are not wanted.
Fact is all the H2FCVs are less than a day of Y production.

The conventional perspective is that H2 is safer than liquid fuels because it would typically vent to the atmosphere while liquid fuels pool when a tank is ruptured

It wouldn’t be practical for us. We do a lot of trips in the 100-200 mile range including a 120 mile RT commute 3 days a week in WI winters with no charging at work. For us, EVs are the best choice because we drive a lot. We charge at home and already had solar. I don’t have a problem with PHEV that have decent EV range, but it would be a poor solution for us and I personally don’t want the cost and complexity of an extra drive train.

For comparison. Approximately 64 H2 HGVs could be fueled with one delivery of 4.5 tons of liquid hydrogen, based on an average hydrogen tank capacity of 70 kg per truck (Nikola). Under 100% utilization (400 trucks per day) that truck stop would require 4-5 H2 dispensers and 6-7 LH2 fuel deliveries a day. Scaling up to support more HGVs would require additional dispensers, storage and LH2 deliveries.

What option is best and in which scenarios? I don’t know, but Amazon, Walmart and Home Depot are at this point now. They have the H2 infrastructure, and they are securing GH2 supply deals. All options are at their disposal. Where will each technology be used?

I agree. A 20-40 mile range wouldn’t do much for us. We’re in a lower population area (not rural but definitely not urban) and do a lot of driving outside of that range. Our weekly commute includes 120 mile RT 3 days a week with no charging at work. We charge at home and we already had solar. For us, EVs are the best option.

How?

Why?

A company called ‘Eavor’ is developing a methodology is to drill two holes down about two miles or so and connect them together forming a closed loop. the loop is used to bring hot fluid and/or steam up to the surface and use the heat to run electricity producing turbines and to use as a community heating source.
If successful, there will be little need for any other form of electricity generation because Eavor developed sites would be a unlimited baseload system, running 24/7.

I really doubt our safety rules would allow these cheaper cars .. and since we are more wealthy, we don’t tend to buy cheaper cars. This is clear based the availability of cheaper cars today that people don’t buy.

A tremendous hatred has flared up between bike and auto users in my neighborhood because of bike lanes being squeezed onto 11th Street in Houston. What’s striking is how instantly the social media ranting turned conspiratorial, such that drivers claimed that the evil city government was plotting to create an auto-free Houston.

As a user of both a bike and a car on 11th Street, I acknowledge that the lanes were poorly designed and failed to take into account the tremendous rush-hour congestion on that street (exacerbated by allowing developers to pack hundreds of new five-floor apartment blocks into what had been a single-house neighborhood). But what I’m observing is the utter inability of the partisans to share the road, or any other public resource.

That area, the Houston Heights, was originally designed 120 years ago to be a true 15-minute neighborhood, with its own tiny industrial zone providing jobs and a streetcar line connecting to actual Houston. That’s the degree of planning that’s required to defeat car dependency, but it was all undone by succeeding generations. In practice the remaining poor are being forced out of the area by real estate inflation even though their jobs as maids and maintenance men are still here. Thus, driving or relying on our wretched bus service. They also closed down the furniture factory at the end of my street in the 2010s and replaced it with one of those luxury apartment blocks, the fate of many little workshops here. It is a far cry from an economy where most could convert to biking to their jobs, though I certainly wish that was being done.

Yes Australia is doing awesome in rooftop solar. So was California, until the utilities ruined it – down 75% since then. I’m optimistic about the rest of the world, but not the US. Too much fossil fuel and not enough political will. We are in fact busy rekindling cultural wars from 50 years ago. Another example of American exceptionalism.