Comments on: Chevy Volt Pounds Another Nail In The Coffin Of Range Anxiety https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/ Clean Tech News & Views: EVs, Solar Energy, Batteries Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:18:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: LeisaD https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178476 Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:18:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178476 In reply to Robert Flanary.

How do you do that?

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By: San Diego Loves Green – Chevy Volt Pounds Another Nail In The Coffin Of Range Anxiety https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178475 Sat, 25 May 2013 19:25:34 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178475 […] Casey posted the following story to Clean Technica on April 5, 2013; image credit Chevy Volt by HighTechDad via […]

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By: Zachary Shahan https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178474 Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:39:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178474 In reply to Robert Flanary.

this comment should be raised to the top somehow. 😀

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By: Zachary Shahan https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178473 Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:38:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178473 In reply to anderlan.

Thanks for the extended comment (no pun intended… initially).

And yes, the Leaf–Volt competition just got a bit more interesting with the Leaf’s big price drop (thanks to in-US manufacturing). Nice to see it rise from those ~650 units a month to over 2,000/month. 😀

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By: Zachary Shahan https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178472 Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:35:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178472 In reply to Rhodomel Meads.

lol. well done. 😀

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By: MrEnergyCzar https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178471 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 03:47:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178471 I’ve done over 20,000 miles in my Volt, which is my only car. I’m getting 270 mpg, give or take 20 mpg…

MrEnergyCzar

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By: Otis11 https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178470 Sun, 07 Apr 2013 19:32:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178470 In reply to notGarth.

That was based of the assumption specified in the first line of the article, not something I assumed. You can work it out with any number you like, but if you use any gas at all you will not achieve 98 MPG-e. It’s a physics problem.

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By: notGarth https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178469 Sun, 07 Apr 2013 18:55:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178469 In reply to Otis11.

Otis11, you are assuming that us Volt owner FILL UP the ENTIRE tank each time —that’s not the case. A Volt owner like me, will only put in 3 gallons (not 9.3) every time I go to the gas station. This is what’s recommended in the manual.

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By: Tina Casey https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178468 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 21:47:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178468 In reply to anderlan.

Otis11 and Anderlan, yes if you look at GM’s press release (link is above) the first thing that hits you is the impressive-looking figure of 900 miles between fill-ups, which of course is not the same as MPGe. The company reports that some drivers are getting far more than 98 MPGe and it seems that I lost some clarity for the sake of brevity. As for comparisons with the Leaf, the best bang for your buck depends on your driving routine and the availabilty of charging stations in your area.

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By: Dave Baragona https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178467 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 20:04:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178467 This article’s title says is all.

I owned a Volt and a Leaf, but ended up selling the Leaf due to the range anxiety.

The Volt still let’s me drive 90% of the time on electric only except when I take long road trips. And it turns out the Volt is a “very good” road trip car even when running on gasoline…

Bottom line is that it is less stressful having an electric vehicle with no range limits, even if it uses gas once in a while. It is worth the higher price to eliminate that range anxiety.

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By: Rhodomel Meads https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178466 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 18:14:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178466 If you follow Tesla’s Voodoo math and apply it to the Volt, the Volt would be practically free, and you’ll get a bonus load of money from all that time saved!

Currently, best lease deals for the Volt is $175/month plus tax, $2700 down, 36 month, 10Kmiles/year. And you get $1,500 state rebate. You get savings of $100/month for not buying gasoline and paying for electricity. And if you earn $100/hr, and have been in traffic by not using carpool lanes, the Volt can save you $500/month by not visiting gas stations and saving time in carpool lane. The result is that you will be earning the net equivalent of at least $350/month. With Tesla, you will be paying the equivalent of $500/month. So get a Volt and earn $350/month instead of Tesla that would make you spend $500/month.

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By: Otis11 https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178465 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 18:05:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178465 In reply to Otis11.

That being said, I do like the Volt and wish there were more vehicles like it. They do have some room for improvement, but I have no issue with the car itself, but with the quality of the reporting.

Again, sorry for being negative, but this was past even my threshold for disinformation. I strongly suggest HEAVILY editing this article or simply removing this post.

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By: Otis11 https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178464 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:59:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178464 “900 miles between fill-ups, far in excess of the EPA equivalent estimate of 98 MPGe.”

I am very rarely critical, but this is either a lack of understanding or very sloppy reporting. The Chevy volt only gets 98 MPG-e if you never burn a drop of gasoline. At 900 miles per fill up with a 9.3 gallon gas tank and 37 mpg on gas means:

9.3*37 =344.1 miles were driven on gasoline
900-344.1 =555.9 miles on electricity

((555.9*98 MPG-e) + (344.1*37 MPG))/900miles = 74.7 MPG-e actual for 900 miles per tank

This falls significantly short of the 98 MPG-e predicted by the EPA, not exceeding it.

MPG-e cannot approach infinity, it is a measure of efficiency on the amount of energy used to move the car and is not affected by the actual gasoline consumption.

Next, the Chevy Volt is not at all comparable to the Tesla Model S. Period. To compare it to a true electric car you need to look at the Leaf. There are probably even better comparisons out there, but this comparison would be fair. Unfortunately it loses to the Leaf. The Chevy volt in my area is $39K before rebates and the Leaf is $28K before rebates. The leaf also happens to have equal or greater rebates in every market I am aware of. Not to say the Volt doesn’t have advantages, but as stated this article is a lie.

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By: Las Paled https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178463 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 15:21:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178463 In reply to anderlan.

Very good point. MPGe is meant to create a point of reference between Kwh and a gallon of gasoline. The current formula is 33.7kwh = equivilent energy to 1 gallon of gasoline. So the MPGe is a static figure and has nothing to do with the fact that most of us are driving on the charged battery most of the time.

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By: anderlan https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178462 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 15:14:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178462 “Volt owners with regular access to charging stations were going an impressive 900 miles between fill-ups, far in excess of the EPA equivalent estimate of 98 MPGe.”

MPGe has NOTHING to do with the total electric miles you put on your EREV between gas fill-ups. If people were going 900 miles on a single charge, well then, holy crap, that would be (900 miles fantasy range / 30 miles rated range) x 98MPGe = about 3000MPGe!!! Ermahgherd! Volt EREV MPGe cohrnfuhrzhuhn!!

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By: Las Paled https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178461 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:26:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178461 In reply to Tom G..

It is true. Some trips require a little more haste unfortunately when dealing with timelines. Living in the west where that 350 miles was between big cities allows for higher speeds but at the cost of efficiency.

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By: Tom G. https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178460 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:11:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178460 In reply to Tina Casey.

I would say that 36 mpg is outstanding given a cruising speed of 80 mph with sprints to 90 mph to pass cars. Just think of how much better he could have done at a more reasonable speed of say 70-75 mph.

Maybe if he had left 10 minutes earlier he could have achieved 40-45 mpg.

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By: Robert Flanary https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178459 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:12:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178459 Make sure that if you get a plug in that you sign up for real time electricity pricing so that you can charge for 3 to 4 cents per kilowatt hour.

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By: PA Lou https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178458 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:38:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178458 In reply to Las Paled.

Fantastic news about your road trip. I plan on taking my Volt on a 2,000 mile round trip this summer and expect similar results. My “Lifetime MPG” is currently 192 MPG, it’s always fun to watch it build back up when all said and done.

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By: Tina Casey https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178457 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:14:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178457 In reply to Las Paled.

Thanks for sharing your experiences…you’re right, 36 mpg is pretty decent but it looks like the next-generation Volt is going to improve on that.

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By: Las Paled https://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-volt-crushes-ev-range-anxiety/#comment-178456 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 09:07:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=50407#comment-178456 I have owned my Volt for about a year and I finally challenged the car this past week. I had to make an unexpected trip to a city about 350 miles away and the car I typically use for long trips was in the shop. Up until then the Volt was my every day around town car, I had put just over 8000 miles on it and was getting about 225 lifetime MPG. During the road trip I put about 900 miles on the car, didn’t charge it once, and except for the first 40 miles it was run exclusively on gas.
The car performed flawlessly and while on this trip got a respectable 36 MPG. There were some significant elevation changes during the trip but I had no problem maintaining an 80 MPH speed with occasional forays into the 90’s to pass other vehicles. After the trip my current “lifetime MPG” is now at 152 MPG and I am back into my daily routine and will see that build again as I typically drive almost exclusively without having to use the gas.
My wife really likes my car and she has been bugging me to trade her car in for a 2nd Volt. Before I was not enamored with this idea but I think this trip convinced me that the Volt is a reliable Car for both daily tavel and the occassional long haul trip and truly is “Two Cars for the Price of One”.

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